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RRR - worst 10 buildings?
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<p>so what do you gus think of Godsell's work?</p>
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<p>@ kashmir,</p>
<p>i have to drive them around all day......listening to their incessant whining.....</p> -
@ kashmir
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Goodness hairdresser. Nominal content of threads is your prerogative is it? go over and look again at the 'good' arch thread and count how many segues and spittles you and the crew left on that. Beatriz was the only one who left a respectful and well thought out response there and unfortunately she was too timid for the ensuing discussion. Your generally vitriolic for the reason that you wont engage the issue for fear of revealing yourselves ignorant of it. Instead you think a slanging match is a debate and personal abuse is fair comment. And then you have the hide to complain when I give it to you.
Your hypocrisy is based on a touching degree of faith in your own righteousness, but it is hypocrisy none the less. Oh well, back to work. At least you have a sense of humour and you're obviously old enough to do a decent haircut. -
This suggestion should polarize - #6 by Wellington's Ross Stephens
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Hey info, over @ 'inhabitat' is a collection of container housing and also in 'eyecandy'. Actually archi-planet has a fabulous archive too including a recent Amsterdam apartment project built on top of the traveling gantry cranes that once loaded millions of containers out of the harbour. Come to think of it, there is also a site dedicated totally to container housing out of the UK but i cant remember its name. I'm sure a persistent google will find it.
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oh Kashmir, sorry to have thought that your style was anachronistic. I'll get used to it i am sure, since it seems to be the norm in this neck of the woods.
Was that Sean Godsell or David Godsell that you were referring to? -
<p>I was referring to the big Seanster...</p>
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its a top 10 - 08 Kashmir, so Godless is not in the game.
over haircuts customers say he has rendering skills and does a sweet swiss/german/french box. Its not true. european windows are triple glazed. -
@ SS.
this is an architects circle jerk.
the idea is to shoot rather than dribble your load.
you've admitted your here to wipe your carpenter's arse with the thread.
for that reason the site administrator should move all your exchanges to a new topic.
as a wnaker your a disappointment -
you need to do more than raise red ugly blisters of personal conviction. -
Thanks Kashmir. Mr Godsell was the 2006 RAIA Robin Boyd award winner. Murcutt was the inaugural winner of that prize. Delicious design. Delicious de ja vu.
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- r you saying Godsell's a has-been.
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<p>Nice that you asked. No I am not saying any such thing of Godsell; you are. By the way, The Klein Bottle is an architectural joke in the same manner as Giulio Romano. You just haven't got it yet.</p>
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r you saying Glen murcat is a has been.
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<p>This is typical. Don't tackle the topic. Just confabulate until all discomforting disprovals go away.</p>
<p>You don't get the klein joke, so you pretend there is no joke. You don't understand architectural method, so you pretend there is no method.</p>
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sorry but your not helping me by being insulting.
i get it now -
so u are saying
giovanni romano is a has been and a joke and
r mcbride, s godsell and murcatt all got the charles moore klein bottle for being equal #1 in 2006? -
<p>SS</p>
<p>explain to me godsell's method?</p>
<p>ignore clients if their needs don't fit his vision?</p>
<p>his park bench: WTF</p>
<p><img height="197" width="300" src="http://adaptivereuse.net/wp-content/uploads/images/godsell2.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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<p>his shack is a self indulgent try-hard polemic that doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>$50K fitted out shipping container... come on.. check out some Shigeru Ban please.</p>
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<p>his architectural method is irrationally plonked 'rationalist' minimalism.</p>
<p><img height="388" width="300" src="http://www.konstig.se/website02/newsletter_archive/2005-08-25_newsletter/images/cover_godsell_Lg.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>(Serra's famous plonk art that cost $125K and was removed for getting in the way of workers and attracting graffitti)</p>
<p> <img height="197" width="300" src="http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/culture/gallery/2008/aug/06/1/GD8264068@--FILE----Tilted-Arc,-319.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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@ the #6 offering was for Kashmir's benefit - shows up godsell's container effort for what it is. THis is not to say that the Wellington effort isn't clever - cause it clearly is. But it doesn't belong on this list - nor does any other container project.
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<p>@hd. Giulio Romano (not giovanni) is well and truely a has been. He died in 1546 and his specialty was renaisance 'style' architecture that was deliberately unbalanced, visually unstable and practically uncomfortable. the klein has doors with tilted lintels. The joke is nearly 500 years old but it still gets a laugh and the client knows it.</p>
<p>Its not an ohs concern unless its a public building i know, hence the ball eastway lack of balcony, but if it's what the clients want they may well get it, however the ball eastaway house client can easily avoid stepping of the balcony, both balconies, whereas the klein client can't avoid bending thier neck or whacking their head every time they walk through the door. There is no comparison.</p>
<p>@andrew. Godsell's wtf park bench is designed to double as a night shelter for homeless people. It hardly ignores the client if it puts a roof over thier penniless heads.</p>
<p>And irrationaly plonked cannot be determined unless you have studied the site.</p>
<p>If you look at the trees behind that peninsula house you've used as an example of 'irrational plonking' you'll notice that it is a coastal site and judging by the cast shadows and the bend of the trees (and the little bit of grass in the foreground) and the direction in which the head land behind the house is running, then the house has been placed into a wind protected spot protected from northerlies by a small rock cliff. This would mean that the house has to raise three stories to get some northern sun. You might even notice that the photo was taken around 6:00 or 7:00am to show it at it maximum solar exposure on the east elevation.</p>
<p>Please explain to me how you think that is irrationaly plonked and what Godsell has to do with Serra</p>
<p>@all earnest fashionistas. When are you going to question the validity of creating an annual top ten list of architecture as if you're solo judging a cake competition at the royal easter show. Annual prizes are one thing and look at the number of categories before you tell me there is no differance.</p>
<p>Top tens are another thing and have the habit of becoming extemely partisan. Unless you can quantify them with sales records like music, then your determining your own personal taste and not much else. It's all good fun, but its a stylists display of personal convictions to each other. It's not an analysis of architectural merit, and especially if both client and site analysis is missing, andrew, before a judgement is made. I am not saying it is naughty. I am saying be honest and admit that it is your own egos you are satisfying in the choices you make and not some deeper understanding of architecture.</p> -
<p>SS - ur a knob - godsells park bench is a fckn outrage - any decent human being would be advocating / lobbying goverment to provide housing, not offering up ineffective and degrading shelters. Exploiting the homeless to promote his business makes godsell a low life parasite.</p>
<p>funny thing is, nobody seems to question the functionality of the so called shelter - doesn't protect from the rain or the wind - what's the point of it ? Marketing SGA. to date godsell has only been good for beach houses - the CUB job should be an interesting test </p> -
<p>@ SS. so i see what your saying. [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]. godsell is australias best rennaissance architect - and a dead guy called giovanni romano was a portugese explorer who did the mcbride klein bottle house in the 1500s?</p>
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@ info.
I think maybe i like that wellington house.
got a plan?
- things i like at first look = plumbing. siting (touch of the oriental).
could be that its a house and not still a container.
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@ sod. couldn't have put it better myself re Godless.
AR ran a top 100/25 years - last year.
(so what) interesting because a national readership voted?
voting being a curiousity to RMIT/AIA awards rule of taste method.
Godless came in at 26.
ordinary result for v.schaik petting boy. -
<p>@ sod. spot on.</p>
<p>my next post was reading something like:</p>
<p>Godsell sees the problems that face human beings as oppurtunities for his indulgently stylised designs to reach headlines ([***************]), rather than seeing these problems as <u>real problems</u> that require <u>real solutions.</u> That's why park bench is sadisitic and exploitative.</p>
<p>@ SS</p>
<p>relation of Godsell to serra.</p>
<p>both create beautiful work offering much to comtemplate. but belong out of the way in a gallery, or maybe a field, someplace out of the way. not forced upon people in a forecourt.</p>
<p>but godsell is out of the way on the beach... the trouble with architecture is that it has users, and from what my sources tell me, he hasn't consider their requirements in the past if they clash at all with his 'rational' buildings. So they may not be plonked on the site but the walls themselves are plonked.</p> -
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minor aus tv celeb hires god less.
godless reaches for his air shipped domus.
flips to glass roof/walled box + timber battens @ 150 ctrs -
fails to notice euro box triple glazed.
celeb buys a coat for winter and gets around in his jocks in summer.
gets grumbly! complains he can't clean cedar sap off glass.
house becomes prototype for school.
gets Vic rAIA award over fed square in its division in 2003 due to weirdo jury (check the names).
school freezes spawn of melbourne middle class in winter/boils them summer.
teachers don't deliver classes - DCM swill bar accoustics.
school asks god less to modify. refuses.
school hires krusty to fix problems.
CUB will be a corker for lucky viccos?
nominating him for a top ten place for not building anything this year.
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cub is shaping up as a battle of brotherly love. 'not sean' godless at peddle thorpedo aint happy with the way big bro is throwing his weight and affable attractive assistant around. in this case, who is the client?
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mr seasons. ray romano is more your level of comedy. no?
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None of you have asked the client and so you subjectively assume and think you are talking about a fact. A shelter, any shelter is preferable to none. When there is no choice to sleep over at the Klein house or a Godsell then there isn't a choice on which to subjectively assume that Godsell is being parasitic. You assume there is a choice because to you there is a philisophical choice and a choice of govt policy. To a man with no roof to call his own there is no such choice and so it is you who is being self indulgent, not Godsell. Godsell is in fact providing a homeless person with a choice and you could do your bit by voting for the govt that has the policy you prefer. To pretend that your stylistic preferances have anything to assist a homeless person and in fact do more than Godsell to assist a homeless person is exactly the sort of pompous self assured arrogance you accuse everyone else of.
None you have tackled my last point that a top tenner is a completely subjective listing that reveals no more than your own personal stylistic preferances and certainly doesn't analyse architecture as you imagine. As i said before, you don't want to go there because you know it's true but you can't face it. It's a common human frailty and nothing to be ashamed of. But don't be proud of it as there is no strength of character in false pride. amen. -
hey mr seasons can you organise a slumber party at kempsey with glen and wendy? would love to base my opinion of his work on actual experience of it. my favourite recent godless project is a shelf you can tack onto the side of a public rubbish bin so 5star restaurants can place unsold food on it so homeless people dont have to delv into the bin to find a meal! WTF. hes tall enough to look down on everyone but c'mon...
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@ SS
Godless is/was #9 on the list -
are you saying we should take him off now because the list is objective,
or because he caught worms off glen murcats dog.
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